Also: most Barbarian Cultures would go “You can keep what you kill” and not care about the Age, so I am inclined NOT to trust this particular version much.
Still, interesting way for different pov`s to show the same thing, well done so far!
No, nononono, this is just getting into bullshit territory (ala, Marvel/DC re-writing entire backstories everytime they change letterers). Whats next? Someone entirely previously unheard of giving yet another POV saying how someone else cut Behr but ran off when Typh and Melanoma showed up, and why would Behr kill his wife after all this time?
And, if this is true, can see the boys being forced to go along with the ‘exile’ thing… actually, no, can’t see that happening at all
And that cut on Behr? No where near a ‘fatal gut wound’, it’s barely even a scratch, specially to someone like Behr
Sounds more like (and looks like) Typh came along while the hunters were in the process of killing Behr and attempted to step between them but one of the hunters had a greater reach
Yeah, a lot of oddities here. The slashes across Ravner’s chest – chest, not gut – don’t look deep enough to be fatal. I suspect this is another facet of the truth, not the whole truth.
Also, the hair color of the dwarf is not consistent at all between panels 1 and 4.
“the hair color of the dwarf is not consistent at all between panels 1 and 4.”
Simple explanation. The producers of the comic didn’t properly prepare the ‘stunt dwarf’ they used in filming the flashback scenes. (As required in all fantasy epics by the Union of Comic Retroactive Narratives, or Uni-Co-RN). Plus, I can totally see the shadow from the boom mike in the first panel.
> Typhan-knee had gotten the better of his father…
English is not my native tongue, but AFAIK that means that Typh defeated his father (and gutted him in the process). That does not make much sense to me at this point.
well, from what i see, maybe “gotten the better of” means he did better in the fight, and for him “killing his dad” maybe he did that so he wouldn’t die more painfully
Maybe (and can’t believe giving the writer a possible explanation to cover this mess) they didn’t mean Behr was gutted literally, just figuratively (and that Behr was a giant girly blouse who would have sulked off into the wild and died from the humiliation if they hadn’t giving him a ‘warriors death’)
Ok, here’s a theory (probably totally off) but given the 2 perspectives we’ve seen so far, I think Typh killed his mother. It’s been stated that Typh idolized his father…that Gillian never did adjust to her captivity…and if anyone could get close to Raviner, it would be Gillian, his wife.
I think she’s the one that got close, caught Raviner completely unaware, and mortally wounded him (if those wounds on his chest were deep enough, they could’ve hit his lungs). Typh saw this and attacked/killed his mother in a failed attempt to save his father. Typh and Mel keep their mouths shut so not to dishonor their father’s name by letting it be known he was bested by a woman.
I think we will get at least one more point of view with denver and possibly another from shaman so it is still too early to make assumptions but considering what we know these two was there about same time as matron or a little bit earlier but these guys didn2t talk about Gillian yet.
Gillian finally managing to stab the man who had enslaved and repeatedly raped her WOULD explain why Typhan felt his mother was to blame for his exile.
On the other hand, if he was witness to his father hacking his mother apart for giving him lip, would it have upset him enough to attack Raviner?
@Guesticus – which supports my theory that Typh killed his mother for attacking his father. Then these 3 show up and neither Raviner nor Typh know who’s side they’re on. Especially if they didn’t ask what was going on, simply saw Raviner in his condition and ‘showed him mercy’ without a word. That would also explain Mels seeking them out for killing his father. Neither of the boys would’ve thought it was a mercy killing if the trio didn’t say anything.
@Guesticus, if you notice where Behr is holding his hand, it could easily be concealing a stab wound to the upper stomach from the small blade the kid’s holding in the later panel. Even though they aren’t noted for their medical care, many barbarians realize a gut wound is a slow painful death. Even nowadays that still happens at times. A ripped stomach is a very bad wound. Which is one facet of why soldiers are, and always have, trained to aim for the body core.
Nssheepster: no, that’s still too high for a stomach/gut wound
Inconsiquential has a point about them being so quick to provide a ‘mercy killing’ sounds like that was what they were really going there for, and simply found the job half-done and, like the craven cowards they are, simply finished him off
Alright I wonder how wrong everybody is about this.
Different stories from different points of view. Well…this just got more interesting. Much more interesting…and I was already interested.
I will be interested to see how these different stories weave together.
Someone’s been watching RASHOMON.
@GrimGhost Sounds like an old western to me, “The Outrage”.
It should be neither, not niether. ^^
Also: most Barbarian Cultures would go “You can keep what you kill” and not care about the Age, so I am inclined NOT to trust this particular version much.
Still, interesting way for different pov`s to show the same thing, well done so far!
No, nononono, this is just getting into bullshit territory (ala, Marvel/DC re-writing entire backstories everytime they change letterers). Whats next? Someone entirely previously unheard of giving yet another POV saying how someone else cut Behr but ran off when Typh and Melanoma showed up, and why would Behr kill his wife after all this time?
And, if this is true, can see the boys being forced to go along with the ‘exile’ thing… actually, no, can’t see that happening at all
And that cut on Behr? No where near a ‘fatal gut wound’, it’s barely even a scratch, specially to someone like Behr
Sounds more like (and looks like) Typh came along while the hunters were in the process of killing Behr and attempted to step between them but one of the hunters had a greater reach
Yeah, a lot of oddities here. The slashes across Ravner’s chest – chest, not gut – don’t look deep enough to be fatal. I suspect this is another facet of the truth, not the whole truth.
Also, the hair color of the dwarf is not consistent at all between panels 1 and 4.
“Tis only a flesh wound!”
GrimGhost; I haven’t watched Rashomon in a couple years, to be truthful, but I do like it.
This isn’t QUITE like Rashomon though… you’ll see it’s a bit different as more pieces start fitting together.
Can’t help but notice the lack of blood on Typh’s blade.
“the hair color of the dwarf is not consistent at all between panels 1 and 4.”
Simple explanation. The producers of the comic didn’t properly prepare the ‘stunt dwarf’ they used in filming the flashback scenes. (As required in all fantasy epics by the Union of Comic Retroactive Narratives, or Uni-Co-RN). Plus, I can totally see the shadow from the boom mike in the first panel.
The thong with the hair has happened before too. Half the hair was colored, other half was grey
Thing
Well I can smell Bull Sh*T!
> Typhan-knee had gotten the better of his father…
English is not my native tongue, but AFAIK that means that Typh defeated his father (and gutted him in the process). That does not make much sense to me at this point.
The link for “defeated” does not show clearly so here it is again:
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/get_the_better_of
You’re correct, Lurker, so someone in the story is lying.
well, from what i see, maybe “gotten the better of” means he did better in the fight, and for him “killing his dad” maybe he did that so he wouldn’t die more painfully
Watson, the game is afoot!
Maybe (and can’t believe giving the writer a possible explanation to cover this mess) they didn’t mean Behr was gutted literally, just figuratively (and that Behr was a giant girly blouse who would have sulked off into the wild and died from the humiliation if they hadn’t giving him a ‘warriors death’)
Ok, here’s a theory (probably totally off) but given the 2 perspectives we’ve seen so far, I think Typh killed his mother. It’s been stated that Typh idolized his father…that Gillian never did adjust to her captivity…and if anyone could get close to Raviner, it would be Gillian, his wife.
I think she’s the one that got close, caught Raviner completely unaware, and mortally wounded him (if those wounds on his chest were deep enough, they could’ve hit his lungs). Typh saw this and attacked/killed his mother in a failed attempt to save his father. Typh and Mel keep their mouths shut so not to dishonor their father’s name by letting it be known he was bested by a woman.
I think we will get at least one more point of view with denver and possibly another from shaman so it is still too early to make assumptions but considering what we know these two was there about same time as matron or a little bit earlier but these guys didn2t talk about Gillian yet.
There is one person they have yet asked: Tiff herself
Old westerns? Sounds like part of the plot of Kamui No Ken to me!
Interesting…
Gillian finally managing to stab the man who had enslaved and repeatedly raped her WOULD explain why Typhan felt his mother was to blame for his exile.
On the other hand, if he was witness to his father hacking his mother apart for giving him lip, would it have upset him enough to attack Raviner?
The thing is: in the second panel, it looks more like young Typh is defending his father and Behrs is scowling at the trio rather than Typh
@Guesticus – which supports my theory that Typh killed his mother for attacking his father. Then these 3 show up and neither Raviner nor Typh know who’s side they’re on. Especially if they didn’t ask what was going on, simply saw Raviner in his condition and ‘showed him mercy’ without a word. That would also explain Mels seeking them out for killing his father. Neither of the boys would’ve thought it was a mercy killing if the trio didn’t say anything.
@Guesticus, if you notice where Behr is holding his hand, it could easily be concealing a stab wound to the upper stomach from the small blade the kid’s holding in the later panel. Even though they aren’t noted for their medical care, many barbarians realize a gut wound is a slow painful death. Even nowadays that still happens at times. A ripped stomach is a very bad wound. Which is one facet of why soldiers are, and always have, trained to aim for the body core.
“Gotten the better of” and “gutted ” are idiomatic expressions which basically mean that Typhan-knee won the fight by stabbing Dad in the stomach.
Nssheepster: no, that’s still too high for a stomach/gut wound
Inconsiquential has a point about them being so quick to provide a ‘mercy killing’ sounds like that was what they were really going there for, and simply found the job half-done and, like the craven cowards they are, simply finished him off
I’m more interested in what they were going to confront him about that “doesn’t matter much to an outsider”.
That could be the little gem of information that illuminates the entire story.
you know a lot of the old westerns where rip-offs of Kitasawa movies right?